Ben Kosse said:
U.S. Constitution, 8th amendment:
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor
cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
I'm not advocating rape here, mind you, only saying that torturous
punishment would definately qualify as "cruel and unusual".
Shampoo said:
Oh? What about the cruel and unusual punishment a woman (or a man) has
inflicted on themselves when getting raped? Do they deserve that? No. I
will not go into my diatribe about the habit of our government to favor
the rights of the criminal over those of the victim. Yes, if a man commits
rape, he DOES deserve cruel and unusual punishment, MORESO if that crime
is child molestation. The act commited can ruin a life, and the criminal
deserves NO LESS in return!
So, a woman (or man) inflicts punishment upon themselves by being raped?
And, now to preempt your diatribe on criminal vs. victim rights: I don't
believe in criminal rights other than the right to live and not be subjected
to cruel punishments.
There is more on this later.
Jack Ji said:
Let me explain something to you about the Bill of Rights. That Amendment
was meant to protect the rights of the ACCUSED not the guilty. How would
you like it if someone just grabbed you out of your home, put you in jail
and tortured you just because someone told the police tha tyou molested a
child but you didn't? Understand?
In reply to Jack Ji, Shampoo said:
Perfectly. That's why I didn't type the word ACCUSED. That's why I said
criminal, as in already convicted? I quite understand, thank you.
You see, Shampoo, the United States Constitution, in its goal to
protect the citizen from encroachment by the government, uses a judicial
system of the accused's peers (fellow citizens, as opposed to the
government). This system
is inclined to make mistakes, and the US court system averages a 10%
innocent conviction rate (this rate is higher for blacks and males than it
is for
whites and females) as well as a 10-15% guilty release rate (which is higher
for whites and females than blacks and males). The framers of the Bill of
Rights wrote the 8th amendment to protect those innocent people who were
convicted from being damaged to the point they couldn't properly re-enter
their life. You see, there are approximately 10% of the convicted rapists in
prison right now who are INNOCENT, and you would painfully castrate them to
REVENGE the victim. This doesn't help the victim, but rather instills a desire
for revenge in the convicted, which may lead to a formerly innocent person now
going out to seek revenge for having their life shattered by someone.
Ken DeSoto said:
I totally agree with you on the subject, in regards to the 8th
amendment.....As for Jeanne implying that rapists should be tortured and
suffer as much as the victim, is also wrong thinking...two wrongs don't make
a right, no matter what the law says.
This is so true.
If people were so incensed about rape, then how come this sort of thing has
been going on since the beginning of time?
Same reason that people still murder each other and we war amongst
ourselves.
I agree that rape is a terrible thing and those who did this, must be
brought to justice. Do the right thing and bring the rapist, whomever he or
she may be, to trial and put that person behind bars, without any hope of
parole. Then slowly, but surely, restart your life again.
Exactly. And thank you for pointing out that females can, and sometimes
ARE rapists. The figures I heard last year were: 20% of all (reported and not)
rapes were performed by females, while only 5% of reported rapes were
performed by females. This isn't helped by the fact some states (such as
Idaho) will not recognize forced sex on a male, by a female as rape. Females
are convicted in the rape cases brought to court by a *MUCH* lower percentage
(something like 10-15% conviction rate) than males are (around 50-75%).
If you wish to continue this discussion, let's take it to private e-mail.
Mail me, and I'll redistribute it to people who mail me as well.
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