At 12:50 PM 5/30/98 -0500, you wrote:

TimeRunner wrote:

At 08:13 AM 5/29/98 GMT, you wrote:

You're welcome to spoil me. I suggest to reply via email....

SPOILERS ABOUND! Look no further is you want to keep the suspense!
BTW, these are THE MOST ACCURATE answers. Almost too accurate. They're so
accurate they scare me (since they draw so much from religious belief), and
they'll spoil way too much, unless you've watched everything, including the
movies.

No, I'm not being arrogant. Read for yourself and decide.

You're being arrogant.  

Well, I only get this from the Ikari Gendo FAQ page. So if anything, I'm
being surrogate arrogant. ^^;

Now I guess it's because I know very little about the EVA universe, but

exactly

what are Angels? I've been looking around for info on them, but I couldn't

find

much except that they are made of waves and particles....whatever that

means.

Like where do they come from?

God. No, seriously. They're sent by God to test humanity.

*sigh*  No, they never say where the Angels(Shito) come from, God or
otherwise.  Don't go saying your opinion like it's fact.  

Yes, boss. They're *hypothesized* to come from *God*.

BTW, in the Evangelion Addition CD, they introduce themselves as coming
from the 'Black God', but that's silly. Whi in turn comes from the 'Space
Black God', which is EVEN SILLIER.

Are there more than 16 Angels?

There are 17 that test humanity. There are more, but GOD sent 17 to test
humanity, as in the Talmud.

In Evangelion, there are 18 Angels total.  The last one being Humanity.  

Humanity is only hypothesized by some as the 18th angel because of an
off-hand remark made by Misato about 'Humanity being as bad as angels
themselves'. There are only 17.

Is there some kinda motif to these Angels attacking? Like in a biblical

sense?

The Talmud describes an apocalypse where humanity is tested by 17 trials
before we can 'ascend'

Is Evangelion going by the Talmud?  I don't think so!

Oh, well. That's your opinion.

How are they detected....before they attack?

Using the technology gained from Adam, the First, and Lilith, the Second.

No, they never gained tech from Lillith or Adam, and Lillith isn't an
Angel.

Lilith IS an angel by EVA, although she's not by the actual story.

Lilith is not an Angel in the Talmud per se, but is made one in the series.

No, she's not.  

Oh, yes she is. *sigh*. 

In fact, the angels have their names derived from different sources.
Israfel, for example, is an Islamic angel of music.

The Shito's are named after Angel's from Jewish/Christen Mythology,
yes.  

Is there a reason why they attack? I know it has to do with that seven

eyed

Angel (1st Angel?) but I don't really know why.

To test humanity, like I said. The Third Impact 'the rise of humanity into
a higher plane of existence - hypothetically Angelhood' cannot commence
unless humanity passes the 17 trials.

Actually, the Angel's are there for there own purposes, namely to
combine with Adam and start there own Third Impact, which would be bad
for Humanity, and SEELE and NERV want to avoid an Angel Third Impact.  

No, it's to combine with Lilith, not adam.

BTW, the 7-eyed angel is Lilith, the Second Angel.

*sigh*  No, she's not.  

*Sigh* yes she is. The reason Kaou turns back is because he discovers that
Lilith is in Terminal Dogma, not ADAM, who is in actuality encased in amber
(remember what Kaji delivered to Gendo?)

Exactly how and why will the third impact come about if the Angel

reaches the

First Angel.

Nothing. The trouble arises when the Angel's reach the SECOND Angel,
Lilith, causing the 'destructive' Third Impact, akin to The Great Flood,

Great Flood?  Where did you get *that*?

The *hypothetical* previous Third Impact, of the destuctive kind... ah,
what's the use. You'll believe what you think, and I'll belkieve what I
think. That's the point of EVA, isn't it?

instead of the 'constructive' one that NERV and SEELE is trying to achieve,
which is Ascension. Because the Angels are theorized to be 'of Lilith',
like the EVA's are 'of ADAM', as per Adam's rib gave Eve.

They never state exactly what will happen if an Angel comes in contact
with Lillith, but Kauro seems to think that something bad would happen,
and has Shinji kill him instead.  

Kaoru figures out that he's being used by Kiehl to cause the Third Impact
(since it's LILITH in Terminal Dogma and not ADAM) and has himself killed
by to prevent it.

Adam's genetic code gave rise to the EVA's, Eve's of mankinds own creation.

Eva-01 isn't a clone of Adam.  Eva-01 is a clone of Lillith.

Uh, yes it is a clone of Adam, which, btw, the miniturization of which
caused the Second Impact. (The release of energy from the miniturization
was so great it melted the ice caps. Fortunately, or unfortunately, Gendo
had the foresight of leaving beforehand).

Just thought you'd like to know...

Also, what the hell is Gendo's hidden agenda with Nerv and Seele?

Gendo knows that once NERV defeats all 17 trials, 

18 Angels.  

Shigata ga nai, ne?

its use to Seele and in

particular Chairman Keihl (hypothesized to be THE WANDERING JEW). 

emphasis on "hypothesiezed"

Oh, yes. *Hypothesized* is right.

Gendo

also knows that in order to
'ascend', mankind must first 'die'. 

That's SEELE's idea, not Gendou.  

Well, you see, it IS the only way they know.

So Gendo maneuvers things in order to

allow himself to be the key to ascension and not Kiehl. Why? I'll answer
that shortly. But first...

The Longinus Lance is the key to the Third Impact. Unbeknowst to Kiehl
(until much later, and then it's too late), Rei's DNA contains the code of
the Longinus Lance as well, 

No.  She's a clone of Yui and Lillith *only*, and has no DNA record of
Lancea Longini.  

Yes, she does. I happen to have watched the movies. Gendo attempts to
*merge* with Rei III in order to bring about the 'ascension' by his own
making, before she rebels.

which is why Seele took action when Gendo had

Rei propelled the Longinus Lance into moon orbit. Little fdid they know
that Gendo had a backup copy...

Gnedou did *not* have a backup copy of Lancea Longini!  Gendou's Third
Impact involved Rei, Himself, and Lillith, while SEELE's Third IMpact
involved Eva-01 and Lancea Logini(either that or the 7 production model
Evas).

The production EVA's formed a Sephiroth of sorts with the EVA 01.

What both Gendo and Kiehl want (since Kiehl can't die, he wants to ascend)

They never say if he can die or not.  

At this point, I have a question. Have you actually watched the Movies,
because I have my own copies that I can refer to anytime I want.

is to 'ascend' without physically dying, which, in my opinion, is following

SEELE equate Dying<->Ascending.  Gendou doesn't.  

Well.

the footsteps of the prophet Enoch,

Who!?

Enoch, who because of his righteousness, God raised as the Greatest of
Angels, Metatron. (See 3 Enoch if you don't believe me).

who was brought into heaven while he

still lived, and was raised up as Metatron, the Highest of Angels, and the
Angel of Humanity, and an angel of the Holy Sephiroth.

*piku*  Exactly where the heck are you getting this?

Don't you read jewish texts? ^^;

Actually, to correct myself, Gendo actually just wants Yui back alive, by
whatever means necessary. If it means becoming an Archangel, then so be it.

What's with this Human Complement Project?

The Human Complement (or Instrumentality) Project's goal is to raise
humanity to a higher plane of existence by means of passing the the 17
trials (via NERV) and bringing about the 'constructive' Third Impact.

The HCP is trying to raise Humanity to a higher level, but not by
passing 17 trials!  

You think so? Then tell me, why is Kaoru referred to as both the 17th and
the Last Angel? Or don't you check titles?

I hope this helps. Any more questions? ^^

please.... no more....

Well. YOU seem to know EVERYTHING yourself. The point of Evangelion is to
make people think, not to spoonfeed us the answers. You want that, watch
Sailor Moon or something.

Where the heck are you getting all this!?

Simple. The Ikari Gendo FAQ.
'http://rossman.simplenet.com/evafaqsmain.html'.
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