At 11:23 PM 4/5/99 -0700, you wrote:
Ohayo, minna-san...
I am not sure if I am too late to add to this debate... judging from the
date this arrive in the archive, I might be, but I just couldn't help
adding my two yen ^_^ I am really sorry if this is done and gone. Please
bear with me.
Video Game Addicted wrote:
Anand Rao <deranged_otaku@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Hitomi's reply to the list.
Hello, Hitomi.
Hi, Anand and Hitomi.
First, Batman is a lot better than a lot of people
think. In the
comic books, he spent several YEARS travelling the
world in order to
learn martial arts. All types of exotic techniques
that would beat
out ANY that Ranma learned, even at the end of the
series. He >started
his crusade, in the comics when he was 35.
Okay, let's talk about stats here for a minute...
According to the DC
heroes database, which, in turn, is based on the
abilities the
characters possess in the comics, states that Batman
has a strength
level that is at maximum human level. Ranma would
easily be the same,
wouldn't you say? The things he's been able to
block, break, or smash
with his fists alone accounts for that.
As for martial arts, Batman *is* a master. However,
he has never once
used a ki-based attack. I don't believe he's ever
thrown 100+ punches
in a matter of a few seconds. I don't think he can
jump from the ground
to a roof top with out the help of the bat
cable/line thing. Ranma has
done this. Of course, this is *canon* Ranma, so
perhaps it doesn't
apply here.
I have to agree that, as far as I know, Batman
never used the likes of ki blasts or Kachuu Tenshin
Amaguriken.
He seems to rely partially to his equipments
in his adventures, while Ranma frequently uses nothing
other than his body. Notice that I said FREQUENTLY, not
NEVER.
I could accept the authors' justification about
Batman's power level, though, since this is BOTH a
crossover and an alternate universe, not to mention
that it takes place in volume 15, where Ranma isn't
as strong as he is at the end of R1/2. Given those, it
seems logical that Bruce is better than Ranma.
If it's a straight martial arts duel (without
any of Batman's nifty tools) between CANON Bruce
and Ranma, though, my money would be on the pigtailed
casanova.
One thing is always important in any duel/fight etc. though... information
on opponents=advantages (no matter how small)=power. Bruce has a vast and
highly advanced research and information network which he often use to do
background checking on any people that are of an interest to him.
Concerning Ranma's high profile, there are bound to be lots of vital
information on him. Bruce also tend to like to finish duels off quickly
while Ranma likes to drag it on slightly to have the time to discover his
opponent's weaknesses (which he never seems to do unless it looks like he
might be losing. I guess that the 'I am the best' attitude gets to his head
once in a while ^_~). Taunting seems to be his speciality too (Ate any pork
lately, P-chan? RANMAAAA! PREPARE TO DIEEE! ^_^) but I am not sure whether
that will have any affect on Batman. Also, Bruce always includes stealth
(he is a master in that, after all) in his approach to a duel to surprise,
and thus possibly be able to strike the first most damaging touch to his
opponent without maiming or killing. However, Ranma has a highly developed
sixth sense which might negate some of the advantages. I think Bruce
himself has also developed a level of sixth sense, though whether it is as
highly developed as Ranma is really unkown. But no matter how many cons or
pros you can think up for each character, it is extremely hard to be
unbiased about this and comment in a detached and clinical manner. There
are a lot of factors involved that will decide who might win in the end,
and the outcome is not just based on the character's skill. Surroundings
have to be taken into account (knowing the layout like the back of your
hand is tremendously useful), the century or maybe city the duel happens in
(pollution can do adverse wonders to your endurace and concentration ^_^),
tolerance to pain and injury, youth versus experience, and so on. I would
say that there is no clear definite answer to who is 'superior' in this.
agent of MI6. In the Ninja storyline, he learned
to kill with just >a
touch, although he never used the technique himself.
Remember, >among
his skills is the ability to seemingly disappear in
seconds. >That's
something Ranma does NOT know.
Yeah, the ninja storyline was cool, as was the
follow up. What do you
mean, by 'disappear in seconds' , btw? (Curiosity
speaking, not a
criticism)
I would mention Umisenken, but then it hasn't
happenned here, so I won't. But I would like to point
out that Ranma can easily learn to disappear, if given
proper motivation.
By the way, you never mention Hiryu Shoutenha
in this story... Was that altered as well?
Ummm... have you ever seen Batman get mad and furious enough in a fight or
duel to create enough hot chi for 'Hiryu Shoutenha' to work? ^_^ Hmmm....
maybe that's why Ranma taunts most of the time in a duel ^_~
Also, as to Nabiki's intelligence, and her ability
to make money. I
don't think ANY of you know the cost of living over
here, so please
refrain from doing a price comparison based upon
what you have in
America. Also, considering that she is virtually
the SOLE support >of
the Tendo Dojo, AND given how much the upkeep is on
land, the >cost of
wood, and so on, I would suggest a number of you
revise your >estimates
of how much she makes.
How could Nabiki make that much money?
Okay, I have a question. Is there an anime or manga
reference that
states that Nabs supports the family? If so, all
well and good. If
not, don't be surprised at people commenting on it.
That really goes
with any assumption you make. You may not be wrong,
but if there's no
proof that you're right, people will call you on it.
I have lived in Japan during part of my
childhood, and in my opinion, what Nabiki makes IN
CANON just doesn't seem to be enough to support the
whole Tendos and Saotomes. If anything, Nabiki seems
to mooch off at her father's expense.
Please note that it has been years since I have
left Japan, and I only visit it every year or two, so
I'm NOT claiming my opinion to be that of a professional.
The idea that Nabiki supports the family
financially stems from many fan's befuddlement at how
the Tendo Dojo keeps afloat. Aside from one anime
episode where Tendos and Saotomes try to attract
students to the dojo, few evidences are available in
the original.
So can Nabiki support her family if she wanted
to? Maybe. DOES she support her family? If it's in
original, probably not. But if it's a fanfic, well, I'm
all for artificial license. That's the purpose of
fanfics, isn't it? To entertain other fans with your
creativity.
Mmmmm... I think that I could say that some if not all of the authors in
the FFML do sometimes derive a few ideas about their characters' (for eg.
Nabiki) personalities from other fanfics. There is NOTHING WRONG with that.
There have been a few fanfics where it had been expressively
stated/explained/mentioned that most of the earnings that Nabiki had got
from her everyday dealings went into keeping the dojo afloat, with little
left over for her own benefit. How come there are no comments on Nabiki's
behaviour on those fics? ^_^
personally think a LOT of you owe an apology to
Jessica for claiming
you know her story better than she does. It seems
funny to me that
everyone considers the author is the LAST person to
know what she is
writing.
I don't think people were claiming to know her story
better, but I'm
fairly sure they were claiming to know *Ranma*
and/or *Batman* better.
I mean, as readers of fanfiction, our only basis for
offering C&C is
grammar, a logical premise, enjoyment, and how well
things stick to
*canon*
Now, if you don't care about keeping things in
canon, why worry about
comments concerning canon?
The point many people seem to be missing is
that "Ranma's Father" is both a crossover and an
alternate universe. Both genres allow relatively large
changes. Things would be completely different if this
is Ranma 1/2-only and a continuation of the original.
Yes, I would agree with VGA on this. It is a crossover and an alternate.
Normal rules that make the *canon* fics what they are does not necessarily
or always apply. Getting introduced to a variable that you are not used to
tend to result in a change to accomondate that alien variable. Ummm... does
that make sense? ^_^
Jessica and Hitomi, I hope my comments were
more helpful and polite than those that ticked you
off. And Anand, thanks for many good points you made. ^_^
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