Subject: [FFML] Re: Pro writers on the FFML (slightly hostile)
From: "Derick Browne" <meachy@my-deja.com>
Date: 7/13/1999, 10:54 PM
To: "The Eternal Lost Lurker" <eternallostlurker@worldnet.att.net>
CC: "Fanfiction Mailing list" <ffml@fanfic.com>

I didn't want to reply to this, but I decided to do it 
anyway; seeing that you went through all the trouble to 
send it to the list.  It's only fair that I show you 
the mistakes you may have made. 



Let's take a professional writer, who writes science fiction short
stories. Alien encounters, high-tech penal colonies, space
exploration, planetary invasions, that sort of thing.

Ah....  I think I'll start here seeing that you are on 
a subject that I do have some exprience with.  Several 
of my friend have had sci-fi short stories published in 
magazines.  I even helped a friend with with one, along 
with 2 other friends of ours that are pre-med students. 
They took care of the bio research, and I 
took care of the land management and nature based info. 
It took Terry 2 months and 5 tries before he got the 
okay from the magazine's editor.  In all of that time 
he was not getting payed a salary.  He didn't get paid 
till the story was finished and printed.  That's real 
life not one of your; "Let's say/Take this for 
instance."


Now, let's say this same writer gets an idea for a great Evangelion
story.

To bad he can't sell it or waste time with it if he's busy writing something else that will put money in his pocket.

Some people like to give away ideas they don't have time to deal
with. Others, like myself, prefer not to. Why? Simply put, when you
have an idea, and you want to see it done a certain way, the *only*
way that's going to happen is if you write it yourself.

You made a little sense there in the end, but the 
begining was off base.  Writers that give away ideas 
are either not Professionals or are Professionals 
trying to help a friend out.  When it comes down to 
ideas that you planned to write and sell, they are no 
different than actual money.  Do you offer to do all 
the cleaning and cooking all the french fries for your
McCo-worker while they get paid for it?  It's no 
different in this case.  Writers ability to create 
stories is there livelihood.  Charles Dickens put it 
best when he said,"I write so that I may eat.  The 
reason my stories are so long is because I get paid by 
the page..."


So this writer sets to work on the Evangelion story. He likes what
he's written.

And he will eventually get fired for wasting his time 
working on Fanfics that he can't sell.

Oh, but wait, he can't publish this. Evangelion is copyrighted. He'd
get sued out the kazoo. 

Hey! You're starting to make sense.  Is this a sign of 
you starting to think before you type?

Bah. But he's had such a great time writing
this story, it'd be a shame to let it go to waste.
So he posts it on the Internet. He makes no money from writing it,

Hm....  Thought not...

because it's now a nonprofit work. However, he has gained a little
bit more writing experience, and his work on this particular short
piece may give him an inspiration for a new original story that he
can have published.

Unfortunately, someone read it on the internet and took 
the idea from the fanfic that he wrote and created 
their own original story from it and copyrighted it 
first...  Poor chump, he should have just took the 
little originality that he had and put it to work on 
something that he could have sold.

He has enjoyed writing this story, he has learned something new from
it, he has contributed to fandom, and it hasn't taken much time away
>from his professional writing endeavors. So nobody has taken a loss
here. 

Hit the breaks!  Contrary to your belief that writers 
spit stories out like clockwork; real writers take time 
with their works.  They go through them with a 
fine-toothed comb to keep jerks from telling them that 
they missed a spot.  When your getting paid to write 
you can't make mistakes and expect it to be all right. 
Proffessional put that extra time in to also make sure 
what they're writing is up to their standard and is 
worthy of their name.  That's why it take sequals to 
novels so long to come out.  Ellison's second novel 
came 30 years after his first.  Not because he wanted 
it to, but because his wife published it after he died. 
If he had been still alive, it probabaly would still 
not be out. 

However, you did make a good point about some of the 
writers here.   With a little time and patients some of 
the exceptional fik'ers (Fanfic writers *just a term I 

That's quite an...interesting term you have there. Be careful not to
mistype a 'u' instead of an 'i' if you actually tend to use this
actively; you don't want to go around randomly flaming people for no
real reason, do you?

It's amazing how some minds work.  I hadn't even seen 
that possibility, but you strangly were able to pick 
up on my point like a scud missle and land into the 
wrong area of smut thinking.  I'll be sure to not make 
that mistake.  It will not be that hard.  Especially seeing I wouldn't have made it anyway.

Sorry, pointless rhetoric doesn't bounce. It just squelches on the
bottom and sticks there like chewing gum in a movie theater.

That only happens in minds that are two slow keep quick 
attention-grabbing thoughts.  It's not ment for those 
that are a little  slower than others.  While it bounce 
in the thinking publics minds anyone unable to catch it 
should feel free to sit back and eat from their, "Box 
of Chocolates."

This is a place you're supposed to be able to go to 
sharpen your writting skills.  So inspiring writers 
should be able to get that helpful push in the 
direction of improvement.  So there is a chance that a 
few of us amatures could someday be professionals.  

Actually, *this* is a place for people to swap stories based on their
favorite anime and manga series. It just happens to have the added
bonus of helping sharpen those writing skills. I'd point out that
there are people posting stories here who have *no* writing skills,
and probably never will. But, that'd be pompous and sarcastic,
wouldn't it? Oh, dear.

Of course you aren't.  Everyone is entitled their own opinion.  That's what makes this country great, and seeing that you didn't actually say it about me there's no foul.

However, I think that someone that would say something like that would best fit the criteria of pompus nitpiking know-it-all with an emotional chip on his shoulder, but seeing that you did not say that about me or anyone else I guess that doesn't depict you at all.  Now does it...

Like I said before, I didn't want to respond if I thought this would go further, but I think you are adult enough to know that clashing views do occur but finger pointing is something only little kids do.

I'm asking you and anyone else to not respond to this publicly.  Things like that only make Tybalt upset.

Let it die.....




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