Subject: [FFML] Re: [Ranma]Treasure Hunter 1 rev.
From: allyn yonge
Date: 12/13/2000, 8:30 PM
To: Greg Housley , ffml@fanfic.com



My comments@@

Everything In My Opinion ONLY.

Take what you find useful, delete the rest.

(sorry it's so late. Still working my way through

my e-mail)



Before I get started, let me try to clarify a few

things. Comments and Criticism (C&C)

I read a story, then I tell the author what I liked,

and why; what I did NOT like, and why. Basically

I'm telling her/him how to write the story I want to

read.

This is VERY subjective. 



Let me give an example:

Let us suppose that I'm reading a story, a Sailor Moon

story, and the author of this fanfiction has re-named

Usagi>> Gertrude. IF he/she has also moved the 

SM universe to a Nazi-fied modern German, that

might work. (It's been done. don't know if he

ever finished it.)



However, if the author has, for no good

reason that I can see, re-name Usagi >> Bunny

or (gods, Allah to Zeus, forfend) decided to

call Usagi>> Betty and named the rest of the

Senshi after the spice girls . . .I'm likely to wince.

This does NOT mean that Usagi should never

be called Betty. NOR does it mean that I am the

final authority on how to write. That's just what I

think.

If something I say during C&C makes sense, make use

of it. Otherwise, just hit the delete key.



{I've run into a wee bit ^�o trouble lately with some

authors who have taken my C&C personally. Or it

could just be that I don't communicate very well. }





Now . . .the C&Cing  . . .



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<SNIP> overly long intro.

Good information but, IMO, better that most of it go

at the end. ^+^

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<SNIP>



TREASURE HUNTER: Chapter 1

A RANMA 1/2 FAN-FIC

BY:GREG HOUSLEY



(Disclaimer)- Ranma 1/2 with all of it's characters

and situations 

belong to 

Ms. Rumiko Takahashi. I take no claim over the rights

to her work and 

have 

written this fic purely in fun.



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        Kasumi entered the den with her usual bright

countenance carrying a 

small 

stack of papers. She glanced about the room at the

several oblivious 

members, engaged in their own individual activities.

Nabiki and Akane 

were 

busy staring blankly at the TV watching their daily

soap opera while 

Soun 

and Genma were busy arguing over where the missing

shogi pieces were 

disappearing off to. Ranma had engaged himself in a

small work out just 

outside the door. Kasumi glanced back down at the

papers she had in her 

hand 

and looked back up. "Nabiki." She addressed



@@Hmmm . . .slow and awkward. This doesn't grab

the readers attention. One of the problems with

fanfiction

is that you're dealing with established characters and



situations. You're showing us stuff we've already

seen.



Awkward phrasing in places.

for instance, don't need "She addressed" at the end.



(Missing  a period (.)  ) ^_^ <Yeah> I got to do a

punctuation

correction. The world will now end. (this is probably

the ONLY time

I'll ever get that right)





It's HARD to do something completely original 

right off the bat, sometimes impossible. I don't know

where you're going with this, yet, so I can't make a

specific

suggestions.







        Nabiki glanced back at her older sister.

"What's up sis?"



        "You have some mail, isn't that nice?" Kasumi

continued. "Ranma?" She 

called. Ranma paused from punching at a rope wrapped

post and looked up 

through the door. "You have some mail too."



@@I'd start here. Get to Ranma & Nabiki's mail.



        "Really? From who?" Ranma asked as he grabbed

for a towel and 

proceeded to 

enter through the open door.



        Kasumi looked down at the envelope. Nabiki

grabbed for hers and looked 

it 

over.



        "IRA" Kasumi answered as Ranma reached for

his.



        "Hey so's mine!" Nabiki looked up from her

envelope quizzically. 

"Doesn't 

that stand for Irish Republican army?" She asked no

one particular.



@@Hmmm, would a Japanese School girl pick up on that

so quickly? I'm not sure how much attention the

Japanese

pay to things like that. For example, can you name the

insurgents in East Timor? (MUCH closer to

Japan that Ireland)



I spend a lot of time on little things like that.

I worry about making it all hang together.



OTOH, other readers don't care at all.







        <SNIP>



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        Ranma lay in the dark next to Genma panda,

unable to get to sleep. 

Whenever 

he curled up in a ball his boxers would ride. Whenever

he stretched out 

they'd start to creep off. When he turned on his side

his shirt would 

begin 

to slide up. When he turned on his stomach he had

trouble breathing, 



@@Nice description.



and the 											

one thought that seemed to plague him was what was

that letter all 

about. He 

had tried to busy himself for the better part of the

day. Not wanting 

to 

think about the letter anymore. He had seemed

uninterested in front 

everybody, sure. But the truth was he was dying to

know more. He hardly 

ever 

got mail to begin with and certainly not mail that

stated that he had 

been 

selected for anything. In fact the only mail he ever

seemed to get read 

something along the lines of "prepare to die Saotome."

or "Meet me at a 

designated time and oh by the way prepare to die

Saotome." or even "If 

you 

want to see Akane alive meet me at a designated place

at a designated 

time. 

PS Prepare to die Saotome."



@@LOL VERY funny.





 Never anything that read you have been 

selected. 

He rolled over onto his back and was forced to pull

his boxers back up. 

Then 

was forced to pull them back down because he had

pulled them too far 

up. 

Frustration was starting to settle in and Ranma was

beginning to grow 

hot. 

He tossed the covers off and lay there momentarily

trying to decide if 

that 

was enough. Deciding it wasn't he also removed his

shirt.



        He finally grew still. It wasn't just what he

and Nabiki had read to 

the 

family that bugged him. It was what they hadn't...



        He felt his boxers begin to ride once more and

proceeded to struggle 

with 

relocating them in a more comfortable spot. Finding

this a more 

difficult 

task than he felt it should be Ranma finally gave up

and just decided 

to get 

some air.



        He silently stood himself up making a

semi-effort not to wake the 

panda, 

and slipped out into the hallway. The house as

expected was dark and 

absent 

of activity. He walked his way over to the stairway

and descended down 

into 

the den, there he approached the back door and slid it

open. A shadowy 

figure sitting on the edge of the porch caught his eye

and he realized 

that 

it was staring back at him.



        "Ranma?" He heard a familiar feminine voice

ask, and he proceeded to 

take a 

seat next to her.



        "Yeah it's me." He confirmed.



        "Couldn't sleep either, huh?" Nabiki asked in

a small whisper.



        "Yeah." Was all that Ranma said.



        "Where's your shirt?"



        "I got hot." He looked up at her gaze and

misread it. "Why you want me 

to 

jump in the pond for you? Need some new photos?



        "No." Nabiki answered unconcerned. She let her

chin rest on her knees 

as 

she pulled them in. "What do you make of the letter?"

She finally 

asked.



        "You're asking me?" Ranma asked surprised.



        "Don't let it go to your head Saotome, I'm

just curious is all." She 

responded without looking up.



        "I'm not sure." Ranma replied. "I wonder why

it's classified. Why 

we're not 

supposed to tell anyone what we're doing."



        "Who knows." Nabiki answered. "It was specific

enough to instruct us 

in 

what could be told, and what couldn't be wasn't it?"



        "Yeah but I don't see why the fact that it's

dangerous is such a 

problem." 

Ranma stated.



        "Because whatever it is might be illegal."

Nabiki Hypothesized. "After 

all 

they were cautious enough not to say what the job

really is."



        "I suppose." Ranma sighed.



        "Did you burn your letter like it said?"

Nabiki asked looking back up 

at 

him.



        "Yeah... I almost didn't though. None of this

makes sense." Nabiki 

simply 

nodded.



        "Ranma lets just get some sleep. We'll have

our answers in the 

morning." 

Nabiki then got up and headed inside through the back

door. Ranma 

watched 

after and then proceeded to do the same.





@@Mixed feelings about this. On the one hand,

it's a nice scene. A little rough, but all-in-all

very nice writing. However, it's not

Ranma or Nabiki. Completely OOC.

I can live with that. IMO better choices

would be

1)Original fic

2)Different series

3)work on using characters IN Character



A bigger problem is that they are

not acting very Japanese (I'd suggest

reading Lost Japan by Alex Kerr; 

Speed Tribes by Karl Taro Greenwood;

Dictionary of Japan's Cultural Code Words by

Boye Lafayette De Mente)

Further, they're not acting very . . .

sensible. I can see going down and checking

things out. HOWEVER . . .burning the letters?

I just can't accept that. Think about it, if this is 

something illegal . . .some sort of scam . . .the 

letters are proof or at least a clue.

Now if the letters SELF DESTRUCTED , that

 I could believe.



(One simple trick is to impregnate the paper

with an acid solution. The paper breaks down

into ash in about 3-10 days depending on

conditions, type of paper, etc) There are other

tricks. There is a special paper that dissolves

in water. Even the moisture in the air will cause 

it to start to break down. You can buy it in most

magic shops.



Little details like that make a lot of

difference, IMO.



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        The next morning to Ranma's distaste came

early. He was greeted by the 

usual faces around the house and groggily marched

himself into the 

washroom. 

He dropped his boxers to the floor and began to run

the water.



        "Ranma?" He heard through the door. It was

Nabiki.



        "If you don't get your butt in gear we're

gonna be late."



        Ranma shut the water off. "Yeah yeah, be out

in a minute." He said 

uncaringly. He jumped into the tub and immediately

jumped out. "It's 

freezing!"



@@ I think he'd be sitting on a low stool or bench and

wash

off there. The "tub" is the furo and for soaking, not

washing.



<SNIP>



@@Too many coincidences . . .letter, getting along

with

Nabiki . . .hot water running out. I could accept

one or two, but this is starting to boggle.

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<SNIP>



        Nabiki looked up at Ranma-chan with a question

written on her face. 

"Hey 

what can I say? Akane doesn't know when to keep out of

other peoples 

business. Hell she's always tryin to follow me around.

's like she's 

obsessed or somethin. I mean geez she's as clueless as

an ox and built 

like..." Ranma just barely managed to sidestep a large

mallet as she 

felt it 

brush past her and into the fence.



        "OBSESSED AM I?" Akane shouted.



        "Akane! Fancy meeting you here, of all

places!" Ranma-chan gloated 

tauntingly.



        'Wow.' Nabiki thought dully impressed. 'Ranma

actually did something 

smart!'



@@ "mallet" :(

Cliched.

Try something different, like a mail-box,

paving-stone, etc.



I'm still having trouble with the Characterizations. 

Why are Ranma and Nabiki so chummy?

Do so if you wish, but, IMO, it needs more development

to be believable.



Good writing otherwise.



        <SNIP>





Overall:B?



This was a hard one to C&C.

The characterizations kept getting in the

way of the story-telling.

There were some times when it reminded me

of Get Smart meets Monty Python (esp. toward the end)

and I've got some REAL problems with the entire

Treasure Hunter secret organization recruiting

HS students. However . . .those CAN

be overcome with research. OR, just ignored.

(I pay attention to little things like that.

OTOH Edgar Rice Burroughs 

had Tigers in Africa (changed in later

editions) and it didn't stop him

from being a best selling author.)

The INTERNAL logic and characterizations

are giving me a little trouble as I say.

IMO, ditch Ranma/Nabiki and chose

another series or go with an Original fic.

I think you need to do some 

research to make the entire Treasure

Hunters bit more believable, but that's just

me. James Bond movies aren't believable

and lots of people love them. ^_*



So, final analysis . . .

I like your writing, hate the story. ^_*

Or, rather, I can't get past

the OOC Ranma/Nabiki, etc.

I've got problems with some

of the logical detail, but with

other characters might give it

a pass.



Hmmm . . .Other series . . .

Sailor Moon?

Usagi/Ten'ou ^_^



Marmalade Boy?

Hana Yori Dango?



(Of course, if THEY were

to OOC, I'd complain too. )^_^



Oh well. It's a good story.

It needs work, IMO, on characterization.

They need to be fleshed out. They're too

wooden, even forgetting about OOC.

But, boy do you do some nice stuff.

There were some spots when I was LOL

or ROTFLOL. And you've got a knack for

detailed description that really pulled me in.

For instance, when Ranma was having trouble

sleeping . . .very nice.



I THINK you inhibited yourself

trying to force Ranma characters into

your story.

I really think you've got something here and

should re-try this as an original. Just to see what 

happens.



In any event . . .GOOD writing.

Story has some plot problems. Easy fix.

Characters, a little wooden. Cardboard.

Try just writing the story w/o worrying

about Ranma.

Characterization is difficult so don't worry. It

will come with time. AND a lot of writing and

critical reading.



I think you've got some real talent. Please

keep writing.



Good luck.



(Sorry this was so abbreviated but I've GOT to get

my MBOX cleaned out before it explodes)



^_*



If you REALLY want more detail or

clarification (though you should be heartily

sick of hearing from be about now)

e-mail and I'll see what I can do.



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End chapter one.





Thanks to everyone that read!

(PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, RESPOND!!!)



        -Greg





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